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« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2010, 03:39:16 »

I am known as an XCR basher here, but honestly... It's a great rifle, I would atleast have the problems corrected, do the proper 400rd break-in, and give it another chance before selling it.
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« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2010, 10:46:33 »

sierra, any time you are ready to send it to me, i'll be standing by.
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« Reply #52 on: March 05, 2010, 11:53:31 »

From what I understand of modern manufacturing of ANY firearm, they all require a "break in" period. I recommend 100 rounds on any and all platforms that do not have a more stringent procedure from the factory. For the 1st ten I clean after every shot, running a bore snake through the barrel is quickest and most effective. Did this most recently on a friends M&P15, I can tell you that after the first shot it took both of us, me pulling the receiver and him the snake, to get it to run through, the accuracy was not what I'd read about and the grouping was bleh at best.

We completed the first 10 and started running 2 round strings through it, even now the rifle was noticeably running more smoothly (all this was done dry) we then moved up to 5 round strings and after the first one I was getting a 1.5-2" group kneeling cold in the snow at 75 to 100 yards (groups were very consistent).

Not saying the QC couldn't be better, it could, it always can, you're going to get the best results, identify defects, and be able to correct them or have the manufacturer correct them best if you "break in" or work in anything slowly. This goes for ALL firearms I talk to people about, it builds confidence in the system, helps you learn its quirks, and forces you to take your time.
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« Reply #53 on: March 05, 2010, 12:08:24 »

That is actually not true.

Break-in is only required because the various mating surfaces are not machine finished. The coating is left in place and the act of break-in wears these finishes off to let the parts interact smoothly.

Perform the break-in as required and if the rifle still exhibits isuses send it to Terra and she will sort out whatever is wrong with it. RobArm does have occasional QC errors but Terra resolves these quickly. My own rifle was quite early on in the production run and it was flakey during the first three hundred rounds or so. After that the weapon has been flawless.
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« Reply #54 on: March 05, 2010, 12:15:14 »

That is actually not true.

Break-in is only required because the various mating surfaces are not machine finished. The coating is left in place and the act of break-in wears these finishes off to let the parts interact smoothly.

Perform the break-in as required and if the rifle still exhibits isuses send it to Terra and she will sort out whatever is wrong with it. RobArm does have occasional QC errors but Terra resolves these quickly. My own rifle was quite early on in the production run and it was flakey during the first three hundred rounds or so. After that the weapon has been flawless.

Yep.  And if you factored in the extra time and labor that would be involved in doing that, I'll take mine at the price point they're at now thank you.   Wink
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« Reply #55 on: March 05, 2010, 13:09:30 »

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Yep.  And if you factored in the extra time and labor that would be involved in doing that, I'll take mine at the price point they're at now thank you.   
  Exactly.Hand fitting parts are only done by custom gunsmiths/companies that's one reason why they cost so much.Even hand fitted 1911's should be broken in because of how snugly they are fit.I doubt very many production gun manufacturers spend the time and money on those kind of procedures.No matter the machine they all "wear in" with use.Even a $50,000 Nascar engine needs to seat the rings before it will perform at it's maximum potential.
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« Reply #56 on: March 05, 2010, 13:29:02 »

Yup, break in and maintenance are very important parts of owning any sort of machinery.  But if this break in process is really too much for you to handle just send your weapon and ammo to me and I'll break it in for you, for $5 extra I'll even clean it for you.  Grin  But seriously, all this talk about break in being a bad thing is a little silly, you're learning how your weapon/ammo/magazines all function together.  You may end up with a bad combo, shit happens and you know what you can/cannot depend on.  I've had two "malfunctions" in my XCR-L in the break in process, once was a stovepipe where I learned to check the gas settings, and another was when a round failed to seat properly and when I went to eject the round powder went everywhere, I learned not to trust other people's reloads.  Use this time to your advantage, get to know your new girlfriend (or boyfriend depending on branch of service  Wink ) and go have fun.  If you do have any legit problems Terra is an amazing Gal and she will make it right, she even put up with me  Duh So go break in your rifle (aka, "use" it which is what you bought it for) and be happy or I'll have to introduce you to my best friend Quitcher....... Quitcher Bitchin
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« Reply #57 on: March 06, 2010, 13:34:39 »

I had a few issues in the original 400 round period, but Terra took care of my XCR as well.
I sent the upper back, it was returned to me and since then, it has performed pretty much flawlessly.

Any glitches have been pilot error.

It now has about 800 rounds through it, and I am actually running it on gas setting 1.
It still chucks the cases a distance, but oh well.

I have taken two combat qualification courses with it, and passed both at 100%.
It goes to work with me everyday, in a case, in the back of the patrol vehicle.

I want to purchase a suppressor next, but have to build up the fund again for that.
And also have to examine which one to purchase which would work the best.

I would not hesitate to buy another XCR.
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« Reply #58 on: March 08, 2010, 08:35:28 »

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yet they are constantly recalled,so your "willing to accept a DVD player but not a rifle" really makes no sense.


Well that's the point.  Cars do get recalled because there is a safety issue. DVD players don't.  Where do you think guns should lie on that spectrum?

Anyhow guys, thanks for the responses.  Don't get too caught up in my bringing the rifle to a class.  I knew I was taking a chance not having fired *all* 400 break-in rounds.  Hence the back-up or should I say, primary rifle.  I probably would have been just as frustrated with the rifle during a full break-in since my version seems to be a jam-o-matic.

I probably have 300+ through the XCR now, and it still has problems.  I like the platform, I don't like how the company has brought the product to market.

Yes they do, sometimes, Ruger recalled SR9 pistols for a reworked trigger.
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