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« on: November 09, 2009, 14:04:23 » |
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Yesterday, I ran the XCR through a series of tests to see how it does against severe conditions. The testing was caught on video by an area pro and I should have it back from editing by the end of the week. Prior to testing, the gun was cleaned and oiled. Ammo was M193 out of Pmags. I did switch to my other lower with a fixed CTR as I did not want to get the foam pad on the folder soaked with water and mud. I figured the CTR would be easier to clean afterwards. The scope and light were stripped as there was no need to expose them to the sand and mud.
The first test was a sand test in which the gun was laid ejection port side down and sand poured over the gun covering everything from the gas block to the rear of the receiver. I wanted to see if the charging handle would let in enough grit to cause a problem. I picked the gun up as smooth as I could trying not to shake off any sand and fired the gun. In doing so, the upper receiver popped up. I slapped it back down, chambered a new round, and fired again. The chamber popped open again.
As I continued testing, I found that the rear pin was not locking fully into the lower receiver. This had not happened on the lower normally run with the XCR-SF configuration so I did not check for it. I seated the pin gently with a hammer and had no further problems. I checked my various lowers and pins today with calipers and all are within .002 inches. It looks like acceptable tolerances stacked up in a bad combination for me. I doubt you need to worry about this with a factory gun, but if you have BRD like I do and swap uppers and lowers, check to make sure the rear pin locks fully. It did not hurt anything, but is a surprise when it pops open during shooting. It has loosened up enough now that I can seat it by hand, but still doesn’t seat by itself.
Back to the testing. I laid the gun in the sand from the first test with the ejection port up and again covered it from just in front of the gas block to the end of the receiver. Sand filling the ejection port did not slow it down a bit.
Next was the submersion test. The gun was taken straight from the sand test and submerged. If there was sand on the gun, so be it. The gun worked fine. The gun was submerged a second time with no problems.
Following the submersion test was the mud test. I mixed up mud slightly thicker than a milk shake. The gun was laid on the ground with the ejection port up. Mud was poured over the gun from front to back, more than an inch thick. The gun was pulled from the mud and fired. It fired and the empty cleared the ejection port, but did not have enough energy to fully chamber the new round. The gun was cleared and a round chambered and fired with the same results. The gun was then submerged in the water trying to get it clean enough to fire. It would fire, eject, and start to chamber but could not fully seat a round.
I broke the gun down, cleaned it and oiled it in preparation for the final test. With the exposed gas tube of the SF configuration, some people have expressed a concern over the gas tube being fragile. The tube was hit with a hammer hard enough and repeatedly to dimple the tube. The gun still functioned fine. The tube was struck in a second location creating a second dimple and functioned fine. In inspecting the gun later in the day, I found that I had actually bent a portion of the rear of the gas block. It did not seem to matter.
As a note, the sand test was repeated after cleaning (not sure if it was before or after the hammer test) with the pin fully locked and performed as expected. The sand did not make a difference.
All in all, I came away really impressed with the XCR. No matter how dirty I got it, it would always fire and eject the spent shell. I am not sure other designs would have always cleared the empty. I don’t know if I expected the gun to pass the mud test or not. That was a lot to throw at it, especially after being buried in sand and submersed.
An ejection port cover may have helped if it was closed before getting covered in mud. Can one always be sure that you will dive into the mud before the firing and not during? Would the ejection port cover hang up due to the mud and block the ejection port?
I should have the video by the end of the week and will be sure to post it.
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Mr. Riggs
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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2009, 15:13:12 » |
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Looking forward to seeing the video..
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« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2009, 06:11:05 » |
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what gas setting?
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Martens
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2009, 12:14:32 » |
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Everything was run on #4.
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« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2009, 12:20:37 » |
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Was the rear pin just too snug to fit into the lower hole?
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SheepDog
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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2009, 16:17:43 » |
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Thank you for the testing on your rifle. I am looking forward to the video. SheepDog 
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2009, 16:35:56 » |
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Sounds like a real good series of tests, can't wait to see the video.
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Martens
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2009, 17:30:19 » |
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With the troubled combination the rear pin was actually .002 smaller than the normal combination I run and the receiver holes were the same size. Terra was thinking the rear pin was slightly lower on the second lower than the first. In looking things over, the rear of the PDW upper was super snug against the second lower so I don't know if either the upper or lower where slightly off. There was definitely no play between the upper and lower with these two together and with the original combinations there is a little.
For the combo that didn't work at first, the pin needed to be lower or the receiver hole higher. They have mated together now. I could have easily left this information out, but as the gun and parts become more widespread, I figured it was important to know that it was a possibility as people swap around uppers and lowers. The pin is tapered and the tapered part locked in enough that the receivers stayed together in handling and dry firing but the pin popped out during firing.
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Martens
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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2009, 19:57:44 » |
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Here's a couple of pics to show the receiver pin not seating all the way. The initial taper seats enough to keep them together when handling the gun.   Anyway, if you start swapping uppers and lowers make sure to check this before heading to the range. I also talked to the Videographer and will be picking up a DVD with the raw footage tonight. If I can figure out how to copy some small segments and get them hosted, there may be some video to watch by morning.
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Mr. Riggs
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« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2009, 20:20:11 » |
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Upload the video to YouTube.
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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2009, 20:38:27 » |
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It looks like your end piece (the M-4 stock adapter that is attached to your upper receiver) is off a little bit too
I have never taken mine off, so I haven't really paid attention to how it is attached, maybe that has something to do with why the pin isn't seating well...
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Martens
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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2009, 21:01:57 » |
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Good catch on the M4 adaptor. I moved it down but it didn't have anything to do with the pin not seating fully. It looks much better now though.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2009, 04:26:53 » |
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youtube link?
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2009, 08:46:11 » |
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I am very excited to see these videos. Thanks for putting your gun through it so that we don't have to! 
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Martens
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2009, 20:54:30 » |
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I've looked at the raw footage and think most people will like it and find it informative. The first edit is due to me tomorrow. I would post some small samples of the video once I figure out how to get it from the DVD into a format that you tube likes.
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Martens
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« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2009, 20:43:32 » |
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I got the 2nd draft today and the video should be fun to watch. It was shot in HD, but I don't know if I'll be able to upload it to you tube in HD or not. Here is the exerpt of the hammer test. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubXbesM8TgYBTW, we had fall training/quals the last two days and the gun performed flawlessly. There was no sign that it had been run through the ringer. I did have to replace the barrel as during the testing it swelled between the gas block and the muzzle break. I have been talking with RA to compare notes on how their barrels faired during the over beach test to see if there is a problem, or during the mud test, I got something in the barrel. As I know more, I'll let everyone know. I would not have known the barrel swelled if I had not grouped the gun before and after the tests as there was no outward sign of damage. To RA's credit, they had me a barrel out ASAP so I could complete my training.
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Mr. Riggs
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2009, 20:55:02 » |
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Looks great, looking forward to the rest of the videos.
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« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2009, 21:58:21 » |
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Those videos were awesome. Very well made, better than a lot of stuff you see on TV.
That SF configuration is starting to grow on me.
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« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2009, 23:12:45 » |
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That's great stuff. Looking forward to more 
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I am no longer an RA staff member. Just a fellow XCR owner.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2009, 12:15:09 » |
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Excellent videos, very well done and with good audio.
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Terra says: You MUST run good, high pressure ammo through your XCR for the first 300 rounds AT LEAST if you expect a smooth break in.
Translation: Don't use Wolf for break in, if you do, don't complain, or she'll find you and paint your rifle PINK!
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Martens
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« Reply #21 on: November 17, 2009, 01:50:32 » |
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I had to upload the video in two parts. Here is part one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz7sTU8J6O4BTW, I re read my owner's manual and it warns about checking the upper and lower and making sure they are locked. Who knew I should have paid more attention to the manual all these years?
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SheepDog
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« Reply #22 on: November 17, 2009, 21:44:30 » |
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After being gummed up with mud the only thing I would have done was worked the bolt back and forth with the magazine removed under the water. Of coarse I won't be doing it with my rifle (I am a wuss). Thanks Martens! SheepDog 
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« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2009, 00:32:05 » |
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GREAT videos you have shown people what the XCR can do under stress in adverse conditions. Other rifles have nothing on the XCR that is a fact. I have not seen any other rifles tested in the mud ever other then a glock nice job. 
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Martens
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« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2009, 05:28:42 » |
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Here's part 2 showing break down/cleaning/maintenance (some tricks that may speed up cleaning), hammer test and a second sand test with a properly locked upper and lower. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mog9L0yqjQk
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