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From YHM:
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Unfortunately I have bad news. We were finally notified by ATF Monday morning that we can no longer sell individual pistons, 3-lug adapters, fixed barrel adapters and most other components separately. We can sell a sound suppressor with one attaching device and that is it. We are not very happy to say the least. This is going to affect our business tremendously. Apparently, we were the first, and now ATF is going to go after all other sound suppressor manufacturers as well. We are going to fight this, and the owner of this company has already contacted some attorneys about taking legal action. As you saw we were forced to take all the products off our web page or face legal action by ATF. We are waiting to hear the final word on the QD mounts, and I am not expecting good news about them either. All I can tell you now is to be patient while we appeal ATF's ruling and hopefully get it overturned. Sorry for the inconvenience, however our hands are tied at the moment, and no one is more upset than us over this matter."
I am just starting to look into it but YHM has all their QD mounts marked as 'Out of stock' so it is not looking too good at the first glance.
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2009, 20:18:38 » |
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Eric,
This does NOT make any sense at all. WTH did they do wrong?
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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 20:23:26 » |
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Wow, that is not good. I better order all the QD flash hiders that I need now before the same thing happens with AAC.
Where did you get this post from?
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« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 20:28:09 » |
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Eric,
This does NOT make any sense at all. WTH did they do wrong?
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They did nothing wrong, BATF just went after them first. I think that letter above is true too.. if you go to YHM website you will see that all their QD's are "out of stock" http://yankeehillmachine.com/store/Sound_Accessories.htmlIf you need a QD to buy it now. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 20:28:56 » |
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Wow, that is not good. I better order all the QD flash hiders that I need now before the same thing happens with AAC.
Where did you get this post from?
I found it on the FALfiles but it was traced to this: http://www.ktog.org/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1245430936/15 |
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2009, 20:53:41 » |
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Just a thought... what if we currently have QD's and don't have tax stamps for them? Does that mean we are felons now?
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2009, 20:54:55 » |
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Just a thought... what if we currently have QD's and don't have tax stamps for them? Does that mean we are felons now?
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« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2009, 20:57:00 » |
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I just tried to find the 5.56 flash hider for the YHM and the only place so far is the FSC556 by PWS on AIMSURPLUS.COM Looks like people are already buying them up...............  |
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« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2009, 22:22:31 » |
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It sounds like it is the "interpretation of the month" on NFA items. I bet this could be traced to someone new moving into the technology branch.
Just like RA had to send an example into those guys for the XCR pistol, is there an approval process possibly for a suppressor? I have no idea honestly.
ETA: what about the cans that attach to a standard A2 flash hider? Are they now NFA too?!
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« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2009, 23:10:11 » |
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Just a thought... what if we currently have QD's and don't have tax stamps for them? Does that mean we are felons now?
You would be grandfathered like when the street sweeper was declared a Destructive Device. Um...I'm 99% sure you are wrong. They weren't "grandfathered" so much as given a grave period to register. They still had to pay the $200 tax. If this applied here, you would need to pay $200 per QD... This is going nowhere..i'm not too worried. |
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 00:52:21 » |
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What a load of bullshit. How asinine can you get?
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 08:13:29 » |
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Just a thought... what if we currently have QD's and don't have tax stamps for them? Does that mean we are felons now?
You would be grandfathered like when the street sweeper was declared a Destructive Device. Um...I'm 99% sure you are wrong. They weren't "grandfathered" so much as given a grave period to register. They still had to pay the $200 tax. If this applied here, you would need to pay $200 per QD... This is going nowhere..i'm not too worried. Actually, I am pretty sure there was a 5 year grace period where there was a free mandatory registration period. I am still looking up the info and will get the source when I find it. |
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 08:23:51 » |
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So far it's just YHM but a couple others have pulled their QD's to wait and see. AAC and Gemtech aren't saying much either so now it's just a waiting game.
It seems an arbitrary decision so far but it might not be a bad idea to get a letter writing deal started. The problem is the NFA world is a pretty small one in comparison.
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2009, 12:08:38 » |
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ETA: what about the cans that attach to a standard A2 flash hider? Are they now NFA too?!
Perhaps an end run around registration of all EBRs? Anything with an A2 FH would have to be registered since some cans fit onto A2s. It's win-win for them.....get rid of FH, or get a registration base on any weapon with one installed. We need more information on this.....as in the actual letter from ATF. This could conceivably be the "line in the sand" if the real agenda is pushing registration of anything with a FH capable of mounting a suppressor. Sean |
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« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2009, 12:15:08 » |
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We need more information on this.....as in the actual letter from ATF. +1 This could conceivably be the "line in the sand" if the real agenda is pushing registration of anything with a FH capable of mounting a suppressor. agreed. if thats what this ends up as, its fairly bold in my eyes. |
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« Reply #15 on: July 26, 2009, 13:03:11 » |
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If ATF can do this, they could easily say ANYTHING with a threaded bbl could have a suppressor installed and therefore my HK USPCT with the threaded factory bbl would now be interpreted to be an NFA item.
I don't think they are saying this or going this far, but it's conceivable which is why we should all be concerned.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2009, 13:55:54 » |
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if legitimate, we need to just call bullshit on this. its just another step towards a registry, and taxing the firearms right out of people's hands.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2009, 13:02:27 » |
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if legitimate, we need to just call bullshit on this. its just another step towards a registry, and taxing the firearms right out of people's hands.
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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2009, 13:23:29 » |
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Along these lines, if I want to (eventually) put a suppressor on my XCRs (one suppressor, many XCR's), can anyone tell me which AAC Blackout version I want to stock up on now? I'm a bit confused between the 3 suppressor mounting flash hiders on their web site (18T, 51T and 51T MITER). I think I'd want to grab a couple 51T MITER blackouts in 1/2x28 tpi (the can I like is the SPR/M4). Is that right? Is there anything else I ought to be stocking up on? Help, anyone?
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2009, 14:34:49 » |
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Along these lines, if I want to (eventually) put a suppressor on my XCRs (one suppressor, many XCR's), can anyone tell me which AAC Blackout version I want to stock up on now? I'm a bit confused between the 3 suppressor mounting flash hiders on their web site (18T, 51T and 51T MITER). I think I'd want to grab a couple 51T MITER blackouts in 1/2x28 tpi (the can I like is the SPR/M4). Is that right? Is there anything else I ought to be stocking up on? Help, anyone?
It depends on which AAC suppressor you want to purchase: 18T = M4-1000 51T = M4-2000 51T MITER = SPR/M4 Be careful on the 51T MITER SPR/M4, you need 2.5" of free barrel surface since it slips over the barrel that distance. |
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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2009, 17:19:54 » |
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I spoke to somebody very close to AAC and he wasn't worried about FHs. He said that pistol boosters may become a problem but isn't worried about FHs.
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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2009, 18:13:41 » |
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I spoke to somebody very close to AAC and he wasn't worried about FHs. He said that pistol boosters may become a problem but isn't worried about FHs.
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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2009, 18:30:06 » |
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So why is the ATF going after YHM but not AAC?
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« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2009, 19:52:55 » |
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This really stinks!!! We need to get organized, write our US Congressmen, Our US Senators and the President of the USA.............FIRST OF ALL, WE NEED TO WRITE THE NRA! This is a bunch of junk. I still want to know where all of he primers have gone!!??
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« Reply #24 on: July 29, 2009, 19:56:20 » |
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What a load of crap man. This will likely mean no more flash hiders exported to Canada as well. The NRA has to put a stop to these ridiculous regulations.
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« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2009, 20:00:06 » |
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So why is the ATF going after YHM but not AAC?
Not really sure, Maybe because YHM sent them a letter asking for clarification. Can you imagine the backlash of having to register every single A2 flashhider out there...it would shut down the entire ATF. Maybe I am naive but I am not rushing out to stock up on hiders though I will probably pick up a different thread pitch for my EVO 9 in case I ever need the other booster.  |
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« Reply #26 on: July 29, 2009, 20:31:55 » |
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OK, I just wrote the NRA, sent them a copy of YHM's letter and told them who we are and we would like for them to look into this and get back to us....
I'll keep you posted.
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« Reply #27 on: July 29, 2009, 20:59:56 » |
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OK, I just wrote the NRA, sent them a copy of YHM's letter and told them who we are and we would like for them to look into this and get back to us....
I'll keep you posted.
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Good luck. You might as well have sent it to Santa Claus.  If you want action....contact Second Amendment Foundation, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, or Gun Owners of America. NRA is as worthless as the tits on a boar.....especially when it comes to NFA or EBRs. Sean PS. And Chris....I'm not knocking you for writing the NRA....I've done it before too....they just NEVER get back to you. I was kinda poking fun at them somewhat at your expense. My apologies....it was all in fun.  |
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« Reply #28 on: July 29, 2009, 21:01:52 » |
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OK, I just wrote the NRA, sent them a copy of YHM's letter and told them who we are and we would like for them to look into this and get back to us....
I'll keep you posted.
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Good luck. You might as well have sent it to Santa Claus. If you want action....contact Second Amendment Foundation, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, or Gun Owners of America. NRA is as worthless as the tits on a boar.....especially when it comes to NFA or EBRs. Sean PS. And Chris....I'm not knocking you for writing the NRA....I've done it before too....they just NEVER get back to you. I was kinda poking fun at them somewhat at your expense. My apologies....it was all in fun. Unfortunately, you are pretty much correct. |
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« Reply #29 on: July 29, 2009, 21:28:28 » |
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don't forget flash hiders are part of what makes a rifle an "assault weapon", according to democrats. This is only the beginning. I am not wearing a tin foil hat. This is the start of some seriously sneaky bullshit.
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« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2009, 22:42:49 » |
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You know Sean, I am not upset about what you said to me, I AM UPSET THAT THE NRA ISN'T DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING! I mean, what are we paying them dues for anyway? We should have a list of organizations that DO SOMETHING FOR GUN OWNERS, like we have for the various organizations that we buy different things from. I believe someone called it a "sticky" and asked Lex to post it at the beginning of a topic and it would ALWAYS STAY THERE!.. We should jump on Our Lawmakers this weekend and throughout August while they are home on Vacation!~ This is some sneaky crap. Now this is two things..... NO PRIMERS AND NOW THIS!
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« Reply #31 on: July 30, 2009, 09:16:04 » |
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You know Sean, I am not upset about what you said to me, I AM UPSET THAT THE NRA ISN'T DOING WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING! I mean, what are we paying them dues for anyway? We should have a list of organizations that DO SOMETHING FOR GUN OWNERS, like we have for the various organizations that we buy different things from. I believe someone called it a "sticky" and asked Lex to post it at the beginning of a topic and it would ALWAYS STAY THERE!.. We should jump on Our Lawmakers this weekend and throughout August while they are home on Vacation!~ This is some sneaky crap. Now this is two things..... NO PRIMERS AND NOW THIS!
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Again, I was just kidding....but to answer your question.....I dont' pay NRA dues for this reason. I've written them a couple of times now, telling them I'll join and pay dues if they will promise me they will not compromise on ANY more gun related issues. NEVER got a response any of those times. I know they literally bombard members with constant pleas for money, but no.....when I'm offering to GIVE them money for a simple promise, nada. Pathetic. My money's going to GOA. Sean |
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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2009, 10:41:56 » |
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At this time (notice I said "at this time") the only change to the sales of flash hiders (where legal) are the ones used as an attachment device for suppressors. Normal flash hiders and muzzle brakes can still be had. If you suppressor uses a quick detach FH then you will be restricted to the one (1) that came with the suppressor and you will not be able to get a replacment. Now the thread on suppressors that most people shun because you have to take off your normal FH and thread the can on, are starting to look pretty good. This new ruling also applies to the piston or recoil device in most pistol suppressors. You can no longer get multiple pistons so you can use just one suppressor on multiple pistols with different size threaded barrels unless you already have the adapters. I know all this because I am about to order a suppressor that I want to use on three different guns all with different thread pitches. Bummer, MadDog |
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« Reply #33 on: July 30, 2009, 11:13:36 » |
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At this time (notice I said "at this time") the only change to the sales of flash hiders (where legal) are the ones used as an attachment device for suppressors. Normal flash hiders and muzzle brakes can still be had. If you suppressor uses a quick detach FH then you will be restricted to the one (1) that came with the suppressor and you will not be able to get a replacment. Now the thread on suppressors that most people shun because you have to take off your normal FH and thread the can on, are starting to look pretty good. This new ruling also applies to the piston or recoil device in most pistol suppressors. You can no longer get multiple pistons so you can use just one suppressor on multiple pistols with different size threaded barrels unless you already have the adapters. I know all this because I am about to order a suppressor that I want to use on three different guns all with different thread pitches. Bummer, MadDog The problem as I see it is: AAC for example make suppressors for ARs/M4s that use the A2 birdcage style flash hider. Right now, there's no restrictions on A2 FH sales (nor should there be) but if the ATF wants to flex a little muscle, they could claim the same policy should apply to A2s (or Vortexs, or any number of other FHs that allow the mounting of a can).....hell, they could go so far as to say threaded bbls are QD in nature. I don't think they'll pull that....I'm just saying they *could*. But, I'm sure my tinfoil is on too tight.  Sean |
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« Reply #34 on: July 30, 2009, 12:00:39 » |
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SOOOOOOOOO.... Now is the consensus that unless we are trying to buy One (1) can and 2-3 QD Flash Hiders for different cals., things are remaining status quo' and there isn't really a problem? I STILL DO NOT TRUST THOSE SNEAKY OBAMANAZI'S!. I think that I am going to try to buy a couple that can be used for can mounts even if they are NOT QD's, just in case they get another wild hair up their wazoo!
And another thing! If the NRA doesn't seem to be doing anything much to help us, I am going to research these others that Sean K. touted. I get ticked off at the NRA sending me notices that my dues are up every other month! That is a PURE WASTE OF MONEY!! I called them one time and told them if that is what they are going to do, then they could just forget me! It stopped for about one year and now it's started up again!..........I swear, it doesn't seem that anything or anyone does business very ethically. It's a real shame!!
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At this time (notice I said "at this time") the only change to the sales of flash hiders (where legal) are the ones used as an attachment device for suppressors. Normal flash hiders and muzzle brakes can still be had. If you suppressor uses a quick detach FH then you will be restricted to the one (1) that came with the suppressor and you will not be able to get a replacment. Now the thread on suppressors that most people shun because you have to take off your normal FH and thread the can on, are starting to look pretty good. This new ruling also applies to the piston or recoil device in most pistol suppressors. You can no longer get multiple pistons so you can use just one suppressor on multiple pistols with different size threaded barrels unless you already have the adapters. I know all this because I am about to order a suppressor that I want to use on three different guns all with different thread pitches. Bummer, MadDog There are no changes right now. I am picking up a couple QD FHs this weekend. I didn't ask about a different booster for my 9mm can but I will. Maybe it just depends on the manufacturer. Are you getting YHM. |
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